Comments on: BSG's Preachy Deus Ex Machina(s) Ruins an Otherwise Good Space Opera http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera TV News, Reviews, Recaps, and Spoilers Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:59:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Will the BSG nerd http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-1813 Will the BSG nerd Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-1813 There were only two things that did not make sense for me. One of them was The question of repeated mistakes. So the Cylons were invented on Kobol, then they buggered off to Earth. So then Kobol had technology, and their "gods" and ect would have been better documented or something, but is lost in the sands of time. You would think they would have mentioned "oh hey, the other tribe, yeah. they are machines". So the twelve tribes leave Kobol and set up the Colonies, invent Cylons, the Cylons destroy the twelve colonies. They travel across the stars and find a new planet that they settle on. Now I understand the idea of we are the decendents and they had to drop their baggage at the door, but you would think that they would want their history to live on. Remember all of those talks about how history would judge their actions? I thought that was the whole idea of the show was to remember the fallen and keep their society alive. Even if they decided to just drop their past forever, let the scrolls, the technology and their government fall into oblivion, you would at least think that they would have passed on information not to build machines with AI. That is the ultimate message that should have been passed on. Because I have a feeling that all of this will happen again. Its an idea for another series. Other than that the only other thing that hit me as off in the amazing finale of the show, other than the centurions taking the basestar and everyone trusting them that they won't come back to blow them all to hell, was the cast spreading out. Lee is left alone, Galen goes off alone, Adama also goes off alone... though I was really happy that Baltar and Six got back together. Baltar was always my favourite character, so... There were only two things that did not make sense for me. One of them was The question of repeated mistakes. So the Cylons were invented on Kobol, then they buggered off to Earth. So then Kobol had technology, and their "gods" and ect would have been better documented or something, but is lost in the sands of time. You would think they would have mentioned "oh hey, the other tribe, yeah. they are machines". So the twelve tribes leave Kobol and set up the Colonies, invent Cylons, the Cylons destroy the twelve colonies. They travel across the stars and find a new planet that they settle on. Now I understand the idea of we are the decendents and they had to drop their baggage at the door, but you would think that they would want their history to live on. Remember all of those talks about how history would judge their actions? I thought that was the whole idea of the show was to remember the fallen and keep their society alive. Even if they decided to just drop their past forever, let the scrolls, the technology and their government fall into oblivion, you would at least think that they would have passed on information not to build machines with AI. That is the ultimate message that should have been passed on. Because I have a feeling that all of this will happen again. Its an idea for another series. Other than that the only other thing that hit me as off in the amazing finale of the show, other than the centurions taking the basestar and everyone trusting them that they won't come back to blow them all to hell, was the cast spreading out. Lee is left alone, Galen goes off alone, Adama also goes off alone… though I was really happy that Baltar and Six got back together. Baltar was always my favourite character, so…

]]> By: Will the BSG nerd http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-18548 Will the BSG nerd Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-18548 There were only two things that did not make sense for me. One of them was The question of repeated mistakes. So the Cylons were invented on Kobol, then they buggered off to Earth. So then Kobol had technology, and their "gods" and ect would have been better documented or something, but is lost in the sands of time. You would think they would have mentioned "oh hey, the other tribe, yeah. they are machines". So the twelve tribes leave Kobol and set up the Colonies, invent Cylons, the Cylons destroy the twelve colonies. They travel across the stars and find a new planet that they settle on. Now I understand the idea of we are the decendents and they had to drop their baggage at the door, but you would think that they would want their history to live on. Remember all of those talks about how history would judge their actions? I thought that was the whole idea of the show was to remember the fallen and keep their society alive. Even if they decided to just drop their past forever, let the scrolls, the technology and their government fall into oblivion, you would at least think that they would have passed on information not to build machines with AI. That is the ultimate message that should have been passed on. Because I have a feeling that all of this will happen again. Its an idea for another series. Other than that the only other thing that hit me as off in the amazing finale of the show, other than the centurions taking the basestar and everyone trusting them that they won't come back to blow them all to hell, was the cast spreading out. Lee is left alone, Galen goes off alone, Adama also goes off alone... though I was really happy that Baltar and Six got back together. Baltar was always my favourite character, so... There were only two things that did not make sense for me. One of them was The question of repeated mistakes. So the Cylons were invented on Kobol, then they buggered off to Earth. So then Kobol had technology, and their “gods” and ect would have been better documented or something, but is lost in the sands of time. You would think they would have mentioned “oh hey, the other tribe, yeah. they are machines”. So the twelve tribes leave Kobol and set up the Colonies, invent Cylons, the Cylons destroy the twelve colonies. They travel across the stars and find a new planet that they settle on. Now I understand the idea of we are the decendents and they had to drop their baggage at the door, but you would think that they would want their history to live on. Remember all of those talks about how history would judge their actions? I thought that was the whole idea of the show was to remember the fallen and keep their society alive. Even if they decided to just drop their past forever, let the scrolls, the technology and their government fall into oblivion, you would at least think that they would have passed on information not to build machines with AI. That is the ultimate message that should have been passed on. Because I have a feeling that all of this will happen again. Its an idea for another series. Other than that the only other thing that hit me as off in the amazing finale of the show, other than the centurions taking the basestar and everyone trusting them that they won’t come back to blow them all to hell, was the cast spreading out. Lee is left alone, Galen goes off alone, Adama also goes off alone… though I was really happy that Baltar and Six got back together. Baltar was always my favourite character, so…

]]> By: Norman Doering http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-18547 Norman Doering Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:53:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-18547 I agree with the article. In the end the use of God was a big cheat on the mysteries they set up. God's motives and abilities remained utterly mysterious and did nothing but advance the plot when convenient for the writers. The meaning of the Opera house vision was merely that it was a vision hinting vaguely and opaquely at the future. Baltar is thus inspired to give the worst speech ever given on Galactica. There's something incredibly arrogant (not necessarily a bad thing) about making God a character in your story because the real gods in these fictional universes are the writers (or in television, perhaps its the producers). You can pull it off if God himself is actually an interesting character and you have something to say about the nature of godhood, but not if that God remains utterly mysterious and just advances the plot when convenient for the writers. <a href="http://normdoering.blogspot.com/2009/03/it-is-finished-battlestar-galactica.html" rel="nofollow">http://normdoering.blogspot.com/2009/03/it-is-fin...</a> I agree with the article.

In the end the use of God was a big cheat on the mysteries they set up. God's motives and abilities remained utterly mysterious and did nothing but advance the plot when convenient for the writers. The meaning of the Opera house vision was merely that it was a vision hinting vaguely and opaquely at the future. Baltar is thus inspired to give the worst speech ever given on Galactica.

There's something incredibly arrogant (not necessarily a bad thing) about making God a character in your story because the real gods in these fictional universes are the writers (or in television, perhaps its the producers). You can pull it off if God himself is actually an interesting character and you have something to say about the nature of godhood, but not if that God remains utterly mysterious and just advances the plot when convenient for the writers.

http://normdoering.blogspot.com/2009/03/it-is-fin…

]]> By: Norman Doering http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-1082 Norman Doering Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:53:13 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-1082 I agree with the article. In the end the use of God was a big cheat on the mysteries they set up. God's motives and abilities remained utterly mysterious and did nothing but advance the plot when convenient for the writers. The meaning of the Opera house vision was merely that it was a vision hinting vaguely and opaquely at the future. Baltar is thus inspired to give the worst speech ever given on Galactica. There's something incredibly arrogant (not necessarily a bad thing) about making God a character in your story because the real gods in these fictional universes are the writers (or in television, perhaps its the producers). You can pull it off if God himself is actually an interesting character and you have something to say about the nature of godhood, but not if that God remains utterly mysterious and just advances the plot when convenient for the writers. <a href="http://normdoering.blogspot.com/2009/03/it-is-finished-battlestar-galactica.html" rel="nofollow">http://normdoering.blogspot.com/2009/03/it-is-fin...</a> I agree with the article.

In the end the use of God was a big cheat on the mysteries they set up. God's motives and abilities remained utterly mysterious and did nothing but advance the plot when convenient for the writers. The meaning of the Opera house vision was merely that it was a vision hinting vaguely and opaquely at the future. Baltar is thus inspired to give the worst speech ever given on Galactica.

There's something incredibly arrogant (not necessarily a bad thing) about making God a character in your story because the real gods in these fictional universes are the writers (or in television, perhaps its the producers). You can pull it off if God himself is actually an interesting character and you have something to say about the nature of godhood, but not if that God remains utterly mysterious and just advances the plot when convenient for the writers.

http://normdoering.blogspot.com/2009/03/it-is-fin…

]]> By: minko manko http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-1067 minko manko Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:24:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-1067 I personally feel that the last episode was ok. It took me a bit of time to get to "ok" from "let down". The last episode was ok because it wrapped up the story and gave you closure on the characters. I was initially let down because I expected more of a surprise from the team at battlestar galactica. The argument regarding which earth they found doesnt bother me so much. It could be explained by either a technical frak up or that the coordinates for the last jump took the fleet through the black hole and into the past. for some reason its more the final introduction of ethereal beings that pissed me off. I know that the show spoke about mysticism/ religion throughout but I dont feel that it presented it as "real" until the final episode. A bit more set up or explanation would have made me feel better about the whole thing but as it stands the ending for me is mediocre and puts a bit of a tint on the whole series because of it. If the ending was as kick ass as the series as a whole I would have no doubt proclaimed it as the best work of art in television ever. I'm still hoping the TV movie about the cylons will bring a better understanding and create a good feeling about that side of the battlestar galactica mythos. I personally feel that the last episode was ok. It took me a bit of time to get to "ok" from "let down". The last episode was ok because it wrapped up the story and gave you closure on the characters. I was initially let down because I expected more of a surprise from the team at battlestar galactica. The argument regarding which earth they found doesnt bother me so much. It could be explained by either a technical frak up or that the coordinates for the last jump took the fleet through the black hole and into the past. for some reason its more the final introduction of ethereal beings that pissed me off. I know that the show spoke about mysticism/ religion throughout but I dont feel that it presented it as "real" until the final episode. A bit more set up or explanation would have made me feel better about the whole thing but as it stands the ending for me is mediocre and puts a bit of a tint on the whole series because of it. If the ending was as kick ass as the series as a whole I would have no doubt proclaimed it as the best work of art in television ever.

I'm still hoping the TV movie about the cylons will bring a better understanding and create a good feeling about that side of the battlestar galactica mythos.

]]> By: minko manko http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-18546 minko manko Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:24:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-18546 I personally feel that the last episode was ok. It took me a bit of time to get to "ok" from "let down". The last episode was ok because it wrapped up the story and gave you closure on the characters. I was initially let down because I expected more of a surprise from the team at battlestar galactica. The argument regarding which earth they found doesnt bother me so much. It could be explained by either a technical frak up or that the coordinates for the last jump took the fleet through the black hole and into the past. for some reason its more the final introduction of ethereal beings that pissed me off. I know that the show spoke about mysticism/ religion throughout but I dont feel that it presented it as "real" until the final episode. A bit more set up or explanation would have made me feel better about the whole thing but as it stands the ending for me is mediocre and puts a bit of a tint on the whole series because of it. If the ending was as kick ass as the series as a whole I would have no doubt proclaimed it as the best work of art in television ever. I'm still hoping the TV movie about the cylons will bring a better understanding and create a good feeling about that side of the battlestar galactica mythos. I personally feel that the last episode was ok. It took me a bit of time to get to “ok” from “let down”. The last episode was ok because it wrapped up the story and gave you closure on the characters. I was initially let down because I expected more of a surprise from the team at battlestar galactica. The argument regarding which earth they found doesnt bother me so much. It could be explained by either a technical frak up or that the coordinates for the last jump took the fleet through the black hole and into the past. for some reason its more the final introduction of ethereal beings that pissed me off. I know that the show spoke about mysticism/ religion throughout but I dont feel that it presented it as “real” until the final episode. A bit more set up or explanation would have made me feel better about the whole thing but as it stands the ending for me is mediocre and puts a bit of a tint on the whole series because of it. If the ending was as kick ass as the series as a whole I would have no doubt proclaimed it as the best work of art in television ever.

I’m still hoping the TV movie about the cylons will bring a better understanding and create a good feeling about that side of the battlestar galactica mythos.

]]> By: Eric S http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-1060 Eric S Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:52:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-1060 Yeah, that is definitely ambiguous enough that it could be either Earth. The god-Viper took them to the wrong/real Earth because that was part of god's plan. Didn't you get the finale at all? Seriously it does make sense that they would have to go through finding the real Earth, making friends with the Cylons, and everything that resulted from that before they came to the point where they were ready to "start over" on the new/our Earth. So I'm OK with that part of it. Yeah, that is definitely ambiguous enough that it could be either Earth. The god-Viper took them to the wrong/real Earth because that was part of god's plan. Didn't you get the finale at all?

Seriously it does make sense that they would have to go through finding the real Earth, making friends with the Cylons, and everything that resulted from that before they came to the point where they were ready to "start over" on the new/our Earth. So I'm OK with that part of it.

]]> By: Eric S http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-18545 Eric S Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:52:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-18545 Yeah, that is definitely ambiguous enough that it could be either Earth. The god-Viper took them to the wrong/real Earth because that was part of god's plan. Didn't you get the finale at all? Seriously it does make sense that they would have to go through finding the real Earth, making friends with the Cylons, and everything that resulted from that before they came to the point where they were ready to "start over" on the new/our Earth. So I'm OK with that part of it. Yeah, that is definitely ambiguous enough that it could be either Earth. The god-Viper took them to the wrong/real Earth because that was part of god’s plan. Didn’t you get the finale at all?

Seriously it does make sense that they would have to go through finding the real Earth, making friends with the Cylons, and everything that resulted from that before they came to the point where they were ready to “start over” on the new/our Earth. So I’m OK with that part of it.

]]> By: Jon Lachonis http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-1044 Jon Lachonis Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:28:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-1044 Now if they could only explain why Kara's god programmed viper led them to the wrong Earth... ;) Now if they could only explain why Kara's god programmed viper led them to the wrong Earth… ;)

]]> By: Jon Lachonis http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-18544 Jon Lachonis Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:28:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-18544 Now if they could only explain why Kara's god programmed viper led them to the wrong Earth... ;) Now if they could only explain why Kara’s god programmed viper led them to the wrong Earth… ;)

]]> By: AstroJones http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-18543 AstroJones Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:49:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-18543 Hey Eric, Here is a link to a clip of the end of Crossroads to refresh your memory. You have to watch all 2 minutes of it, but it seems ambiguous enough that it could have been Moore's plan. But it also could have just as easily been Moore covering his tracks. <a href="http://www.hulu.com/watch/63028/battlestar-galactica-battlestar-best-surprise-moment-starbucks-return#x-4,cClips,2" rel="nofollow">http://www.hulu.com/watch/63028/battlestar-galact...</a> Hey Eric,

Here is a link to a clip of the end of Crossroads to refresh your memory. You have to watch all 2 minutes of it, but it seems ambiguous enough that it could have been Moore's plan. But it also could have just as easily been Moore covering his tracks.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/63028/battlestar-galact…

]]> By: Eric S http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-1040 Eric S Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:43:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-1040 Based on this interview it seems like at the time of Crossroads he knew what he was doing. I don't remember the shot of our Earth from that episode well enough to be able to know if it was an intentional fake-out or if Moore is trying to cover his tracks. Even taking into account the stuff he says in this interview I still have the same problems with the finale. It's still answering everything by saying "it's god's will." That really is a lame way to pay off all of the questions that came up. It seems even slightly lamer to me now that Moore is saying that was his intention. It really is a cop-out and if that was what he wanted to say it could have been done a lot better than it was. I'm not a fan of having answers to all of the questions. I would rather they leave the questions completely unanswered than provide one blanket answer chalking everything up to god. Based on this interview it seems like at the time of Crossroads he knew what he was doing. I don't remember the shot of our Earth from that episode well enough to be able to know if it was an intentional fake-out or if Moore is trying to cover his tracks.

Even taking into account the stuff he says in this interview I still have the same problems with the finale. It's still answering everything by saying "it's god's will." That really is a lame way to pay off all of the questions that came up. It seems even slightly lamer to me now that Moore is saying that was his intention. It really is a cop-out and if that was what he wanted to say it could have been done a lot better than it was.

I'm not a fan of having answers to all of the questions. I would rather they leave the questions completely unanswered than provide one blanket answer chalking everything up to god.

]]> By: Eric S http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-18542 Eric S Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:43:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-18542 Based on this interview it seems like at the time of Crossroads he knew what he was doing. I don't remember the shot of our Earth from that episode well enough to be able to know if it was an intentional fake-out or if Moore is trying to cover his tracks. Even taking into account the stuff he says in this interview I still have the same problems with the finale. It's still answering everything by saying "it's god's will." That really is a lame way to pay off all of the questions that came up. It seems even slightly lamer to me now that Moore is saying that was his intention. It really is a cop-out and if that was what he wanted to say it could have been done a lot better than it was. I'm not a fan of having answers to all of the questions. I would rather they leave the questions completely unanswered than provide one blanket answer chalking everything up to god. Based on this interview it seems like at the time of Crossroads he knew what he was doing. I don’t remember the shot of our Earth from that episode well enough to be able to know if it was an intentional fake-out or if Moore is trying to cover his tracks.

Even taking into account the stuff he says in this interview I still have the same problems with the finale. It’s still answering everything by saying “it’s god’s will.” That really is a lame way to pay off all of the questions that came up. It seems even slightly lamer to me now that Moore is saying that was his intention. It really is a cop-out and if that was what he wanted to say it could have been done a lot better than it was.

I’m not a fan of having answers to all of the questions. I would rather they leave the questions completely unanswered than provide one blanket answer chalking everything up to god.

]]> By: Jon Lachonis http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-1039 Jon Lachonis Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:31:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-1039 Yeah. Well, conducted on 3/21/09... you have to admit, that seems a-lot like a retro fix. Yeah. Well, conducted on 3/21/09… you have to admit, that seems a-lot like a retro fix.

]]> By: Jon Lachonis http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-18541 Jon Lachonis Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:31:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-18541 Yeah. Well, conducted on 3/21/09... you have to admit, that seems a-lot like a retro fix. Yeah. Well, conducted on 3/21/09… you have to admit, that seems a-lot like a retro fix.

]]> By: Jon Wales http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-18540 Jon Wales Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:39:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-18540 Here's the interview where Moore talks about the final sequence of Crossroads: <a href="http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/03/battlestar-galactica-daybreak-finale-moore-mcdonnell-olmos.html" rel="nofollow">http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertain...</a> Here's the interview where Moore talks about the final sequence of Crossroads:

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertain…

]]> By: AstroJones http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-1043 AstroJones Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:49:21 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-1043 Hey Eric, Here is a link to a clip of the end of Crossroads to refresh your memory. You have to watch all 2 minutes of it, but it seems ambiguous enough that it could have been Moore's plan. But it also could have just as easily been Moore covering his tracks. <a href="http://www.hulu.com/watch/63028/battlestar-galactica-battlestar-best-surprise-moment-starbucks-return#x-4,cClips,2" rel="nofollow">http://www.hulu.com/watch/63028/battlestar-galact...</a> Hey Eric,

Here is a link to a clip of the end of Crossroads to refresh your memory. You have to watch all 2 minutes of it, but it seems ambiguous enough that it could have been Moore's plan. But it also could have just as easily been Moore covering his tracks.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/63028/battlestar-galact…

]]> By: Eric S http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-1037 Eric S Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:47:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-1037 Good point about not using the time properly. However I don't think they got to pick an end date of the series. I think SciFi (or SyFy) canceled it and they were kind of stuck with a forced end date in the middle of the story. I do think they could have used the remaining episodes better. This part of the season started out good - with the first episode or two - and then we went on a bunch of tangents, with the mutiny, and the Kara song, and Kara's father, and the Cylon goop in Galactica. Most of that could have been dropped and they could have used those episodes better. I enjoyed the last few episodes - even though they were slow they felt like they were building up to something and did add something to the characters, but the middle of this last bunch were really wasted. I was also disappointed that the Final Five backstory was exposited by Anders as opposed to being laid out in a natural fashion. I felt really cheated by that. We've been building up for the backstory of the Final Five for several seasons, it's been hinted that the history is going to play a large role, and then Anders just blurts it out and it's done. Good point about not using the time properly. However I don't think they got to pick an end date of the series. I think SciFi (or SyFy) canceled it and they were kind of stuck with a forced end date in the middle of the story.

I do think they could have used the remaining episodes better. This part of the season started out good – with the first episode or two – and then we went on a bunch of tangents, with the mutiny, and the Kara song, and Kara's father, and the Cylon goop in Galactica. Most of that could have been dropped and they could have used those episodes better. I enjoyed the last few episodes – even though they were slow they felt like they were building up to something and did add something to the characters, but the middle of this last bunch were really wasted.

I was also disappointed that the Final Five backstory was exposited by Anders as opposed to being laid out in a natural fashion. I felt really cheated by that. We've been building up for the backstory of the Final Five for several seasons, it's been hinted that the history is going to play a large role, and then Anders just blurts it out and it's done.

]]> By: Eric S http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-18539 Eric S Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:47:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-18539 Good point about not using the time properly. However I don't think they got to pick an end date of the series. I think SciFi (or SyFy) canceled it and they were kind of stuck with a forced end date in the middle of the story. I do think they could have used the remaining episodes better. This part of the season started out good - with the first episode or two - and then we went on a bunch of tangents, with the mutiny, and the Kara song, and Kara's father, and the Cylon goop in Galactica. Most of that could have been dropped and they could have used those episodes better. I enjoyed the last few episodes - even though they were slow they felt like they were building up to something and did add something to the characters, but the middle of this last bunch were really wasted. I was also disappointed that the Final Five backstory was exposited by Anders as opposed to being laid out in a natural fashion. I felt really cheated by that. We've been building up for the backstory of the Final Five for several seasons, it's been hinted that the history is going to play a large role, and then Anders just blurts it out and it's done. Good point about not using the time properly. However I don’t think they got to pick an end date of the series. I think SciFi (or SyFy) canceled it and they were kind of stuck with a forced end date in the middle of the story.

I do think they could have used the remaining episodes better. This part of the season started out good – with the first episode or two – and then we went on a bunch of tangents, with the mutiny, and the Kara song, and Kara’s father, and the Cylon goop in Galactica. Most of that could have been dropped and they could have used those episodes better. I enjoyed the last few episodes – even though they were slow they felt like they were building up to something and did add something to the characters, but the middle of this last bunch were really wasted.

I was also disappointed that the Final Five backstory was exposited by Anders as opposed to being laid out in a natural fashion. I felt really cheated by that. We’ve been building up for the backstory of the Final Five for several seasons, it’s been hinted that the history is going to play a large role, and then Anders just blurts it out and it’s done.

]]> By: AstroJones http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-1036 AstroJones Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:09:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-1036 Yeah, I agree with you Eric, except that I don't think the rushed part is a valid excuse for the creative team. They picked the end date of the series and should have had plenty of time to wrap things up. Not to mention the fact that the last several episodes leading up to the finale were incredibly disappointing and slow. Why we need a whole episode about Kara learning a piano song when she was a child, and another whole episode just to discuss how sad it was that Galactica was going to be scrapped, I'll never understand. I realize that we needed both of these pieces of information, but a whole episode for each one? That's just insane. No, I say they had all the time that they needed, and just didn't use their time appropriately. Yeah, I agree with you Eric, except that I don't think the rushed part is a valid excuse for the creative team. They picked the end date of the series and should have had plenty of time to wrap things up. Not to mention the fact that the last several episodes leading up to the finale were incredibly disappointing and slow. Why we need a whole episode about Kara learning a piano song when she was a child, and another whole episode just to discuss how sad it was that Galactica was going to be scrapped, I'll never understand. I realize that we needed both of these pieces of information, but a whole episode for each one? That's just insane. No, I say they had all the time that they needed, and just didn't use their time appropriately.

]]> By: AstroJones http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-18538 AstroJones Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:09:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-18538 Yeah, I agree with you Eric, except that I don't think the rushed part is a valid excuse for the creative team. They picked the end date of the series and should have had plenty of time to wrap things up. Not to mention the fact that the last several episodes leading up to the finale were incredibly disappointing and slow. Why we need a whole episode about Kara learning a piano song when she was a child, and another whole episode just to discuss how sad it was that Galactica was going to be scrapped, I'll never understand. I realize that we needed both of these pieces of information, but a whole episode for each one? That's just insane. No, I say they had all the time that they needed, and just didn't use their time appropriately. Yeah, I agree with you Eric, except that I don’t think the rushed part is a valid excuse for the creative team. They picked the end date of the series and should have had plenty of time to wrap things up. Not to mention the fact that the last several episodes leading up to the finale were incredibly disappointing and slow. Why we need a whole episode about Kara learning a piano song when she was a child, and another whole episode just to discuss how sad it was that Galactica was going to be scrapped, I’ll never understand. I realize that we needed both of these pieces of information, but a whole episode for each one? That’s just insane. No, I say they had all the time that they needed, and just didn’t use their time appropriately.

]]> By: Eric S http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-1035 Eric S Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:02:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-1035 I was ambivalent about the finale as well. Parts of it were incredibly great, but overall I was a bit disappointed. Regardless of whether the Cylon Earth was intended to be our Earth, it is pretty clear that Moore and the writers did NOT know how the show was going to end the entire way. Moore has clearly said this in his podcasts. That lack of a plan really showed up in this finale. Some mysteries had unsatisfying conclusions, others were ignored. It seemed to me that things were really rushed in this last half of this season. I don't think they were prepared to end the show when it ended. So they had to rush a few story lines, come up with answers to questions in a shorter than expected time frame, and naturally not everything was satisfying. I thought that given these constraints they did a pretty good job. I was disappointed at Kara not being explained, Hera not having any more important of a role than she did, and really disappointed at the Opera House thing having such a lame pay off. But it was still a great show and I enjoyed the finale. I was ambivalent about the finale as well. Parts of it were incredibly great, but overall I was a bit disappointed. Regardless of whether the Cylon Earth was intended to be our Earth, it is pretty clear that Moore and the writers did NOT know how the show was going to end the entire way. Moore has clearly said this in his podcasts. That lack of a plan really showed up in this finale. Some mysteries had unsatisfying conclusions, others were ignored.

It seemed to me that things were really rushed in this last half of this season. I don't think they were prepared to end the show when it ended. So they had to rush a few story lines, come up with answers to questions in a shorter than expected time frame, and naturally not everything was satisfying. I thought that given these constraints they did a pretty good job. I was disappointed at Kara not being explained, Hera not having any more important of a role than she did, and really disappointed at the Opera House thing having such a lame pay off.

But it was still a great show and I enjoyed the finale.

]]> By: Eric S http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-18537 Eric S Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:02:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-18537 I was ambivalent about the finale as well. Parts of it were incredibly great, but overall I was a bit disappointed. Regardless of whether the Cylon Earth was intended to be our Earth, it is pretty clear that Moore and the writers did NOT know how the show was going to end the entire way. Moore has clearly said this in his podcasts. That lack of a plan really showed up in this finale. Some mysteries had unsatisfying conclusions, others were ignored. It seemed to me that things were really rushed in this last half of this season. I don't think they were prepared to end the show when it ended. So they had to rush a few story lines, come up with answers to questions in a shorter than expected time frame, and naturally not everything was satisfying. I thought that given these constraints they did a pretty good job. I was disappointed at Kara not being explained, Hera not having any more important of a role than she did, and really disappointed at the Opera House thing having such a lame pay off. But it was still a great show and I enjoyed the finale. I was ambivalent about the finale as well. Parts of it were incredibly great, but overall I was a bit disappointed. Regardless of whether the Cylon Earth was intended to be our Earth, it is pretty clear that Moore and the writers did NOT know how the show was going to end the entire way. Moore has clearly said this in his podcasts. That lack of a plan really showed up in this finale. Some mysteries had unsatisfying conclusions, others were ignored.

It seemed to me that things were really rushed in this last half of this season. I don’t think they were prepared to end the show when it ended. So they had to rush a few story lines, come up with answers to questions in a shorter than expected time frame, and naturally not everything was satisfying. I thought that given these constraints they did a pretty good job. I was disappointed at Kara not being explained, Hera not having any more important of a role than she did, and really disappointed at the Opera House thing having such a lame pay off.

But it was still a great show and I enjoyed the finale.

]]> By: Jon Wales http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-1038 Jon Wales Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:39:45 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-1038 Here's the interview where Moore talks about the final sequence of Crossroads: <a href="http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/03/battlestar-galactica-daybreak-finale-moore-mcdonnell-olmos.html" rel="nofollow">http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertain...</a> Here's the interview where Moore talks about the final sequence of Crossroads:

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertain…

]]> By: Brian Johnson http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-1031 Brian Johnson Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:48:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-1031 I misunderstood what you were getting at. That form of panspermia, where it was guided by an intelligence, would have fit very nicely. I don't see why they didn't explore some of these alternatives. It asks a lot of fans to just swallow miracles without any real explanations. I misunderstood what you were getting at. That form of panspermia, where it was guided by an intelligence, would have fit very nicely. I don't see why they didn't explore some of these alternatives. It asks a lot of fans to just swallow miracles without any real explanations.

]]> By: Brian Johnson http://www.tvovermind.com/battlestar-galactica/bsgs-preachy-dues-ex-machincas-ruins-an-otherwise-good-space-opera/2518#comment-18536 Brian Johnson Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:48:00 +0000 http://www.tvovermind.com/?p=2518#comment-18536 I misunderstood what you were getting at. That form of panspermia, where it was guided by an intelligence, would have fit very nicely. I don't see why they didn't explore some of these alternatives. It asks a lot of fans to just swallow miracles without any real explanations. I misunderstood what you were getting at. That form of panspermia, where it was guided by an intelligence, would have fit very nicely. I don’t see why they didn’t explore some of these alternatives. It asks a lot of fans to just swallow miracles without any real explanations.

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