Now You Know – 19.32

Smiles of a Summer Night – 17.82

The Game – 18.89

If There's Anything I can't Stand – 18.21

Art Isn't Easy** – 16733

Now I know, Don't Be Scared – 18.58

You Can't Judge A Book By Its Cover – 18.63

A Distant Past – 18.64

Something's Coming – 20.65

Welcome to Kanagawa – 19.78

Sunday – 16.37

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There is a target audience for drama. Stargate is the wrong place addressing the wrong people.

Now You Know – 19.32
Smiles of a Summer Night – 17.82
The Game – 18.89
If There’s Anything I can’t Stand – 18.21
Art Isn’t Easy** – 16733
Now I know, Don’t Be Scared – 18.58
You Can’t Judge A Book By Its Cover – 18.63
A Distant Past – 18.64
Something’s Coming – 20.65
Welcome to Kanagawa – 19.78
Sunday – 16.37
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There is a target audience for drama. Stargate is the wrong place addressing the wrong people.

Thanks for this explanation! The way you put it, I get a lot more what's bothering you in SGU. Personally, I finished watching all Stargate Atlantis right before SGU, so perhaps the character-focus overload is not bugging me as much because Atlantis had so little of it. In any case, I'm still sure that the rest of the season will correct the tone, action and underlying themes to be more Stargatish. I guess I just wish everyone would be more optmisitic about this.

I certainly have eclectic taste in shows so I would be the last person to criticize someone's taste in anything – food, tv, clothing etc. The point that I am trying to make (and Mike I think but I don't want to speak directly for him) is that the original concept of Stargate – which has 15 had seasons of tv to establish – is very different than SGU. The creators and writers absolutely have the right to take the show in a different direction but we who loved the original two series have a right to complain that the tone, action and underlying themes of Stargate that we appreciated before are gone from this show. It is difficult for us to judge the show without the context of what came before because the producers chose to name it Stargate Universe not just GA:Space. I think that you need to go back and look at the 8 episodes before this. The most action packed ones: Light – big angsty who will be saved and let's have sex. Time – reactions to people dying and opening up our family treasure chest of memories before we get eaten. Earth – the stones again and Telford and his conniving ways. Air (3) – angsty visions in the sand and whining people on the ship. Water was the most Stargate-like episode so far. Young not leaving someone behind, TJ stepping up to deal with the alien. That episode was one of the best. The rest are a mess in the Stargate World.

Thanks for this explanation! The way you put it, I get a lot more what’s bothering you in SGU. Personally, I finished watching all Stargate Atlantis right before SGU, so perhaps the character-focus overload is not bugging me as much because Atlantis had so little of it. In any case, I’m still sure that the rest of the season will correct the tone, action and underlying themes to be more Stargatish. I guess I just wish everyone would be more optmisitic about this.

I certainly have eclectic taste in shows so I would be the last person to criticize someone’s taste in anything – food, tv, clothing etc. The point that I am trying to make (and Mike I think but I don’t want to speak directly for him) is that the original concept of Stargate – which has 15 had seasons of tv to establish – is very different than SGU. The creators and writers absolutely have the right to take the show in a different direction but we who loved the original two series have a right to complain that the tone, action and underlying themes of Stargate that we appreciated before are gone from this show. It is difficult for us to judge the show without the context of what came before because the producers chose to name it Stargate Universe not just GA:Space. I think that you need to go back and look at the 8 episodes before this. The most action packed ones: Light – big angsty who will be saved and let’s have sex. Time – reactions to people dying and opening up our family treasure chest of memories before we get eaten. Earth – the stones again and Telford and his conniving ways. Air (3) – angsty visions in the sand and whining people on the ship. Water was the most Stargate-like episode so far. Young not leaving someone behind, TJ stepping up to deal with the alien. That episode was one of the best. The rest are a mess in the Stargate World.

Again, saying I'm stupid for loving the show is unnecessary. You can make a strong statement without that.

As I understand it, these stones allow people to switch minds, not to switch data on how to bring the ship home. I agree they could switch to have 5 more scientists on the ship, I don't get why they don't do that. But that aside, if you were facing the prospect of sure death, wouldn't you want to visit your families?

And it also seems to me you guys are focusing way too much on the Life episode. There were 8 episodes before, and they weren't just about emotional Earth stuff. There were death, survival, aliens, time travel…it's just irritating to see how people are quick to forget it and label the show as soap. Just wait to see how the rest of the season will unfold, I'm sure you'll be satisfied.

I am not a guy but a woman who misses the camaraderie, decency and heroism of the other Stargates. In the world today I think people are looking for positive escapism not angst. I agree wholeheartedly that this show would be off my radar if it did not have the name Stargate in it and I would not be so sorely disappointed in the ambiguous characterization, cliched mess that this show has become. And where is the sly humor. I miss Rodney and Daniel and O'Neill and the wise cracking save the world attitude.

Again, saying I’m stupid for loving the show is unnecessary. You can make a strong statement without that.

As I understand it, these stones allow people to switch minds, not to switch data on how to bring the ship home. I agree they could switch to have 5 more scientists on the ship, I don’t get why they don’t do that. But that aside, if you were facing the prospect of sure death, wouldn’t you want to visit your families?

And it also seems to me you guys are focusing way too much on the Life episode. There were 8 episodes before, and they weren’t just about emotional Earth stuff. There were death, survival, aliens, time travel…it’s just irritating to see how people are quick to forget it and label the show as soap. Just wait to see how the rest of the season will unfold, I’m sure you’ll be satisfied.

I am not a guy but a woman who misses the camaraderie, decency and heroism of the other Stargates. In the world today I think people are looking for positive escapism not angst. I agree wholeheartedly that this show would be off my radar if it did not have the name Stargate in it and I would not be so sorely disappointed in the ambiguous characterization, cliched mess that this show has become. And where is the sly humor. I miss Rodney and Daniel and O’Neill and the wise cracking save the world attitude.

"But that's not the feeling I get from SGU. They have this great plot device that are the stones, they have this great idea to use the stones for backstories and charater development, but they overload us in 9 episodes."

Which just proves the point of Preppy. You just don't have the IQ!

… Now your EQ is a different story. Being a woman you are overly emotional. A man beating up another man over a woman is intriguing for you. Men just don't think this way, sorry. Man are logical. When men see communication stones, they don't use them to visit family, they use them to fix the ship.

My point is that they took a *men's show* SG-1 and made a *girly/gay* show called SGU (with big-brother use of kino).

Marie, you've got to understand that (we the guys) are not "whining" that there is a show for girls. We are "whining" because they took *our* show and made it gay. Now, if they would have just choosed another name and not "Stargate", no one would have said anything! But having a show called "Stargate" and not seing a "Stargate" for so long is too much for us.

Which just proves the point of Preppy. You just don’t have the IQ!
… Now your EQ is a different story. Being a woman you are overly emotional. A man beating up another man over a woman is intriguing for you. Men just don’t think this way, sorry. Man are logical. When men see communication stones, they don’t use them to visit family, they use them to fix the ship.
My point is that they took a *men’s show* SG-1 and made a *girly/gay* show called SGU (with big-brother use of kino).
Marie, you’ve got to understand that (we the guys) are not “whining” that there is a show for girls. We are “whining” because they took *our* show and made it gay. Now, if they would have just choosed another name and not “Stargate”, no one would have said anything! But having a show called “Stargate” and not seing a “Stargate” for so long is too much for us.

The ratings go as follows:

Air Pt. 1 – 2.35

Air Pt. 2 – 2.35

Air Pt. 3 – 2.40

Darkness – 2.099

Light – 2.015

Water – 1.974

Earth – 1.626

Time – 1.802

Life – n/a as of yet.

I am sorry, but I can't stand Rush. BUT saying that, I have to agree 100% that Rush is a damn good complex character and is intriguing to watch. I feel the same way about John Locke on LOST. I can't stand the bastard, but Locke's story has always been must see TV for me. So I will constantly bitch about Rush, but study his character's intricate psyche and chilling schemes to achieve the knowledge of the Ancients at any cost.

During the opening montage, Park was having sex with the guy she bumped into later, hence his knowing smile when he greeted her and his dumbfounded confusion when she brushed him off. While talking to TJ, she said that she released her stress by reading, but she really is being the playerette of the Destiny and at the end Greer was her latest conquest, which makes Park one of my new favorite characters, lol.

As far as the negative comments about SGU, I have stayed out of it, but now I can't hold my tongue, lol. Expect an article about how I feel about SGU, the SG fanbase, and the negativity on all things Sci-fi recently.

I understand my opinion may be irritating to you, but there was no need to threaten me to be labelled as an idiot just because I like the show. It's unnecessary to get your point across.

Like you I've never seen more than a couple of episodes of sopa operas shows like Desperate Housewives because I can't endure the pointless drama. But that's not the feeling I get from SGU. They have this great plot device that are the stones, they have this great idea to use the stones for backstories and charater development, but they overload us in 9 episodes. They want to have a background for all the main characters asap, probably to justify their motivations for their upcoming actions. That's a flaw to rush like this, sure, but it does not mean it will continue like that once everyone is covered. And that's my point: I wish that people would see that the writers are struggling with the right proportions of "stone usage", not fatally assume that they intend to make the entire series a soap opera in space. It just makes no sense to me that a strong idea like SGU piloted by veterans of the franchise would veer to such abyss without anyone realizing anything. Have faith.

The ratings go as follows:

Air Pt. 1 – 2.35
Air Pt. 2 – 2.35
Air Pt. 3 – 2.40
Darkness – 2.099
Light – 2.015
Water – 1.974
Earth – 1.626
Time – 1.802
Life – n/a as of yet.

I am sorry, but I can’t stand Rush. BUT saying that, I have to agree 100% that Rush is a damn good complex character and is intriguing to watch. I feel the same way about John Locke on LOST. I can’t stand the bastard, but Locke’s story has always been must see TV for me. So I will constantly bitch about Rush, but study his character’s intricate psyche and chilling schemes to achieve the knowledge of the Ancients at any cost.

During the opening montage, Park was having sex with the guy she bumped into later, hence his knowing smile when he greeted her and his dumbfounded confusion when she brushed him off. While talking to TJ, she said that she released her stress by reading, but she really is being the playerette of the Destiny and at the end Greer was her latest conquest, which makes Park one of my new favorite characters, lol.

As far as the negative comments about SGU, I have stayed out of it, but now I can’t hold my tongue, lol. Expect an article about how I feel about SGU, the SG fanbase, and the negativity on all things Sci-fi recently.

I understand my opinion may be irritating to you, but there was no need to threaten me to be labelled as an idiot just because I like the show. It’s unnecessary to get your point across.

Like you I’ve never seen more than a couple of episodes of sopa operas shows like Desperate Housewives because I can’t endure the pointless drama. But that’s not the feeling I get from SGU. They have this great plot device that are the stones, they have this great idea to use the stones for backstories and charater development, but they overload us in 9 episodes. They want to have a background for all the main characters asap, probably to justify their motivations for their upcoming actions. That’s a flaw to rush like this, sure, but it does not mean it will continue like that once everyone is covered. And that’s my point: I wish that people would see that the writers are struggling with the right proportions of “stone usage”, not fatally assume that they intend to make the entire series a soap opera in space. It just makes no sense to me that a strong idea like SGU piloted by veterans of the franchise would veer to such abyss without anyone realizing anything. Have faith.

I am still watching SGU and I will most likely watch SGU until the end of the season.

What are the current ratings for SGU? How have the ratings for SGU changed over time?

While the actors are doing what they are paid to do, the script writing has left me speechless (and not the good kind of speechless). I think the idea of Stargate Universe is excellent, but I still have my doubts about how SGU is being scripted and played out. SGU might get by with a second season, but I would be shocked if SGU gets a third season without a major re-write or upgrade before the close of season one.

The episode "EARTH" and the last episode "LIFE" are definitely well representative and true of the darker side of humanity.

The alliances are definitely forming. Some of the different alliances were made clear in the last episode "LIFE." I would not be shocked if these alliances will be the basis of one of the shows before the end of the season.

Dr. Rush is very complex character and is definitely my favorite character. I would go as far as to say that Dr. Rush is the most complex character I have seen on any of the Stargate series to date. I am 90% to 95% on his team. I think Dr. Rush will get someone to use that chair.

I thought Greer was very interesting and real of all the charters from the beginning. Greer seems even more interesting. I think Greer will be in Dr. Rush's alliance, but I don't think Greer of Dr. Rush will use the chair. I thought Park said she was having sex with "Greer" and that other solider was someone who was interested but was not going to get any.

I am surprised by Camile. In both of the other Stargate series (SG-1 and Atlantis), the individuals from the IOA were consistently a bunch of corrupt, inept, self-serving, snakes in the grass that had horrible decision making skills and were problematic at best on their good days. When Sharon told Camile "to do whatever she has to do to get back home," I thought Camile instantly morphed into a different character. She is no longer the typical problematic IOA representative.

Chelo (the dead senator’s daughter) she is doing exactly what I would do. I would spend a lot of time in the observation deck.

Spencer ran out of pills a lot earlier than I anticipated. However, I will still keep to my original prediction, the people on the ship won't find the medial bay in time and Spencer's problems are just starting. Unless someone finds an illegal crack house (run by alien squatters) in the other 80% of the ship that is supposed to be unoccupied, Spencer will probably murder or rape someone.

When it comes to the chair and downloaded Ancient memories, everyone can be a candidate. However, there is a short list of viable candidates. I guess Dr. Rush is glad he has a list of everyone's abilities. I have already identified three people.

SGU Life Lesson #1: Do not let anyone borrow any of your personal effects. People have a nasty habit of being selfish and returning "borrowed" items "damaged," "tattered," or in poor condition. Some people have the nerve not to return the items at all. Everyone should have learned Life Lesson #1 in high school or at the latest in college.

If you are NOT going to be upset that your personal effects may come back "damaged," "tattered," or not returned at all, then ignore Life Lesson #1.

SGU Life Lesson #2: If you ever come across communications stones, do NOT let anyone else “borrow” your body. It appears that except for Eli and Scott, all who have used the communications stones have missed used (sex and substance abuse) the other individual’s body.

Is Gen. Jack 'O Neill (Richard Dean Anderson) gaining weight?

Marie, you must be a newly hired executive at SyFy or one of the writers of SGU who is responsible for this show and who will most likely get fired for producing such a show. The critics do understand that SGU is not a show focusing on guns and explosions and fighting bad guys and that is the problem.

The concept ("the complaints from the critics") is very simple.

Most people who watch science movies, science fiction related movies, or space exploration related movies on the SyFy channel (in particular) are NOT the typical dullards that watch drama soap operas. Matter of fact, I would say Stargate fans are not dullards at all. People who watch science movies, science fiction related movies, or space exploration related movies are NOT interested in the script of “Desperate House Wives,” “Ugly Betty,” "MTV's Real World," or any other drama soap opera script superimposed onto a crew of a space ship or into a space ship. Yes, I did watch about five episodes of “Desperate House Wives,” and five episodes of “Ugly Betty” and stopped watching and moved on to bigger and better things.

Marie, either you have the IQ to understand that or you don't have the IQ.

How is a show science related, science fiction related, or space related if there is no science or science fiction, but just scene after scene of the typical stuff one would find on “Desperate House Wives” or "The Real Housewives of Atlanta?" If I wanted to watch sex (heterosexual, lesbian, or homosexual), I could just watch a different cable channel or watch it for free over the internet. Since I live in the Los Angeles, I could go down to the co-ed steam room at my gym or go to any one of the LA beaches and watch it live. Over the years, I have stumbled across many porn movies in production.

I am still watching SGU and I will most likely watch SGU until the end of the season.

What are the current ratings for SGU? How have the ratings for SGU changed over time?

While the actors are doing what they are paid to do, the script writing has left me speechless (and not the good kind of speechless). I think the idea of Stargate Universe is excellent, but I still have my doubts about how SGU is being scripted and played out. SGU might get by with a second season, but I would be shocked if SGU gets a third season without a major re-write or upgrade before the close of season one.

The episode “EARTH” and the last episode “LIFE” are definitely well representative and true of the darker side of humanity.

The alliances are definitely forming. Some of the different alliances were made clear in the last episode “LIFE.” I would not be shocked if these alliances will be the basis of one of the shows before the end of the season.

Dr. Rush is very complex character and is definitely my favorite character. I would go as far as to say that Dr. Rush is the most complex character I have seen on any of the Stargate series to date. I am 90% to 95% on his team. I think Dr. Rush will get someone to use that chair.

I thought Greer was very interesting and real of all the charters from the beginning. Greer seems even more interesting. I think Greer will be in Dr. Rush’s alliance, but I don’t think Greer of Dr. Rush will use the chair. I thought Park said she was having sex with “Greer” and that other solider was someone who was interested but was not going to get any.

I am surprised by Camile. In both of the other Stargate series (SG-1 and Atlantis), the individuals from the IOA were consistently a bunch of corrupt, inept, self-serving, snakes in the grass that had horrible decision making skills and were problematic at best on their good days. When Sharon told Camile “to do whatever she has to do to get back home,” I thought Camile instantly morphed into a different character. She is no longer the typical problematic IOA representative.

Chelo (the dead senator’s daughter) she is doing exactly what I would do. I would spend a lot of time in the observation deck.

Spencer ran out of pills a lot earlier than I anticipated. However, I will still keep to my original prediction, the people on the ship won’t find the medial bay in time and Spencer’s problems are just starting. Unless someone finds an illegal crack house (run by alien squatters) in the other 80% of the ship that is supposed to be unoccupied, Spencer will probably murder or rape someone.

When it comes to the chair and downloaded Ancient memories, everyone can be a candidate. However, there is a short list of viable candidates. I guess Dr. Rush is glad he has a list of everyone’s abilities. I have already identified three people.

SGU Life Lesson #1: Do not let anyone borrow any of your personal effects. People have a nasty habit of being selfish and returning “borrowed” items “damaged,” “tattered,” or in poor condition. Some people have the nerve not to return the items at all. Everyone should have learned Life Lesson #1 in high school or at the latest in college.

If you are NOT going to be upset that your personal effects may come back “damaged,” “tattered,” or not returned at all, then ignore Life Lesson #1.

SGU Life Lesson #2: If you ever come across communications stones, do NOT let anyone else “borrow” your body. It appears that except for Eli and Scott, all who have used the communications stones have missed used (sex and substance abuse) the other individual’s body.

Is Gen. Jack ‘O Neill (Richard Dean Anderson) gaining weight?

Marie, you must be a newly hired executive at SyFy or one of the writers of SGU who is responsible for this show and who will most likely get fired for producing such a show. The critics do understand that SGU is not a show focusing on guns and explosions and fighting bad guys and that is the problem.

The concept (“the complaints from the critics”) is very simple.

Most people who watch science movies, science fiction related movies, or space exploration related movies on the SyFy channel (in particular) are NOT the typical dullards that watch drama soap operas. Matter of fact, I would say Stargate fans are not dullards at all. People who watch science movies, science fiction related movies, or space exploration related movies are NOT interested in the script of “Desperate House Wives,” “Ugly Betty,” “MTV’s Real World,” or any other drama soap opera script superimposed onto a crew of a space ship or into a space ship. Yes, I did watch about five episodes of “Desperate House Wives,” and five episodes of “Ugly Betty” and stopped watching and moved on to bigger and better things.

Marie, either you have the IQ to understand that or you don’t have the IQ.

How is a show science related, science fiction related, or space related if there is no science or science fiction, but just scene after scene of the typical stuff one would find on “Desperate House Wives” or “The Real Housewives of Atlanta?” If I wanted to watch sex (heterosexual, lesbian, or homosexual), I could just watch a different cable channel or watch it for free over the internet. Since I live in the Los Angeles, I could go down to the co-ed steam room at my gym or go to any one of the LA beaches and watch it live. Over the years, I have stumbled across many porn movies in production.

SGU: They find a device that downloads information into your head. you decide not to use it and save it for later. Meanwhile lets go back to earth cry a little, fight for your wife and have a lesbian cuddly moment.

Then you ask yourself. How can the second option be even an option?

SGU: They find a device that downloads information into your head. you decide not to use it and save it for later. Meanwhile lets go back to earth cry a little, fight for your wife and have a lesbian cuddly moment.

Then you ask yourself. How can the second option be even an option?