So you're complacent.
You're a fan of Fringe. You were one of those loyal five million or so who followed the series over its timeslot jump and continued watching it on Friday. You stuck around for "The Firefly," "Reciprocity," and "Concentrate and Ask Again."
But then what happened? Did you think that you could just miss a week and no one would notice? You did your part, you thought, and the rest was up to FOX, right? Or was The Super Bowl's Greatest Commercials just too enticing of a program for you?
Well, we noticed you didn't tune in. That's right -- I'm looking at you, the half million viewers who just decided that they would miss out on an episode of Fringe during its most critical ratings stage yet. Was it the episode title, "Immortality," that threw you? Or was it the fact that you just don't like Alternate Olivia? There are a million excuses, mister, and we're not taking any of them.
"Concentrate and Ask Again," had been the series low in terms of total viewership, but this week you guys really knocked Fringe down a big, BIG notch. That episodes 4.26 million is a welcome figure after the numbers came in for "Immortality." Does 3.74 million sound renewal worthy to you? Does it?
Do you think FOX thinks that's renewal worthy? I bet they don't. And if that kind of number sticks around -- or, God forbid, that decline continues -- we'll never find out which universe Peter chooses to save. And you'll have no one to blame but yourselves at this point. Didn't think I would say this, but FOX has done their job. Fringe Fridays were very close to being a success. But then you came along -- or, rather, went away -- and ruined it.
Why am I so vehement that Fringe be saved, you ask? Well, it's one of the few really smart shows remaining on network television. It's rare that you get to see a complex story played out so intricately (on FOX, no less). When Fringe goes, the rest are sure to go -- and it would quite possibly negatively affect the TV landscape forever.
So don't slack off again. Get on the damn ball. Supernatural can make it a week without you. Fringe doesn't have that luxury.
Better be seeing you on Friday for the episode "6B."
(For those of you who found time in your busy schedules to show up on Friday night, spread the word about your love of this show. We need you now more than ever!)
I would assume that Supernatural might have a hand in the reduced viewership of Fringe. I love both shows but I'm in Canada with digital cable so I can watch Supernatural at 6pm and Fringe at 9pm.
That's so awesome! :D
I like Supernatural, but it about to end anyway so I record it on my DVR and watch Fringe live.
Even though I'm not a neilson viewer and it doesn't really count I try to show activity on the Fringe website and forums to show I'm watching.
Why do you say Supernatural is about to end?
Things look good for a season 7. I hope Fringe isn't canceled. It's my favorite show on TV right now.
Can someone tell me how watching it a day later on DVR effects the ratings? And if I watch it live will it matter? I don't have a Nielsen box.
This is Supernatural’s final season it’s going to have it’s finale in May after Smallville’s finale
where do you get this info?
This is Supernatural's final season it's going to have it's finale in May after Smallville's finale
If Fox was interested in renewing Fringe they would have kept it on Thursday
Night. I tape it every week so that I don't miss a episode. But not everyone
Has a dvr so they may miss 1 or 2 episodes.
I watched it twice – once from Amazon download ( I bought the full season ), and once on DVR a day or two ago. With DVR, I hardly watch anything live anymore. I figure since they already make 1.89/episode from me from Amazon, I don't feel so bad not watching it live. But if I can this week, might as well.
My question is where the hell did Fringe go? We don’t get the second part of the season in the UK until… God knows when.
I’m in Canada and I haven’t missed a single episode yet!!! I am mailing out my letter to FOX today to let them know I exist and am a huge fan!! I even included a doodle of Walter!
Fox need to AMERICAN IDOL on Friday nights and put Fringe back to Thursdays!!!! That is a big problem because I have to DVR it on Friday and those don’t get counted in the stupid ratings. I WANT FRINGE BACK TO THURSDAYS!!!!
It's not fair to just pick on Fringe fans – ALL shows were down last Friday. CSI was down 20%! I blame it on Valentine's Day landing on Monday this year, so people went out to dinner on Friday and Saturday.
Could be. I don't believe Sam is actually picking on Fringe friends though, just goading them.
I wish Fringe and Supernatural would get both renewed. *sigh*
The question is if I would survive without Supernatural.
Her name is Fauxlivia, not “Alternate Olivia”. You want to vehemently appeal to the hardcore Fringers, or even the softcore ones, you should get that straight. Some of us don’t even have a tv and have to watch it on HULU.
I agree about the Nielsen ratings, totally bogus. Only the designated people count. And FOX didn’t do it’s part – it put Fringe on primetime, up against the big dogs – probably knowing full well that even though Fringe is a cult hit it would never pull numbers like CSI or Grey’s and then sends it to die on Friday’s. You could say it was being given another chance since there’s no real competition on Friday’s but it’s also the start of the weekend and instead of staying home people are going out. Show’s get sent to Friday’s to be cancelled or put on hiatus indefinitely and then eventually cancelled. And no one should trust FOX after Family Guy :P
They could have moved it to Wednesday’s instead…
“And if that kind of number sticks around … we’ll never find out which universe Peter chooses to save.”
As far as I’m concerned, all the answers you need can be found in that sentence. I mean, just on it’s face that sentence is so very wrong.
But leaving aside all the characterisation and plotting issues, I haven’t a care what FOX thinks. They started this mess when they moved Fringe to Thursdays.
I would imagine many people were out because of Valentine's Day. Maybe you should take factors like this into consideration BEFORE you decide to blast a show's fanbase.
I love Fringe and Supernatural and never miss them, bring them back!
They’re on at the same time…
They're on at the same time…
I'm glad you all get it. Yeah, everyone was down…including Supernatural. So no, it can't survive without it's fans either. Yes, it is on the bubble too. Just wait. This Friday, Fringe will resurge with it's 2nd highest viewership of the season.
Not to mention, it doesn't matter if half of us watch or not…if we don't have a Nielsen box, we don't matter. Damn ratings…I wish there were a more accurate system.
It's hard as hell to be home on a Friday night. Even if I'm around, I end up watching half the thing on my DVR because of one thing or another. I NEVER miss an episode. Isn't there a way to monitor what's being recorded on a Tivo or a DVR?
There isn't, really. And besides…you need a Nielson box to be monitored, plain and simple.
They do monitor DVR and online streaming –
http://blastr.com/2011/01/the-truth-about-tv-rati…
I for one, can't be blamed in this viewership drop: I have no TV and am required to watch the show through either Hulu or Fox itself on my computer.
Friday moves are show killers. Always have been, always will be. After sitting behind a desk all week, you think people want to hang on the couch Friday night? I DVR Fringe and watch it first thing Saturday morning.
I'm in Canada and I haven't missed a single episode yet!!! I am mailing out my letter to FOX today to let them know I exist and am a huge fan!! I even included a doodle of Walter!
My question is where the hell did Fringe go? We don't get the second part of the season in the UK until… God knows when.
Fox need to AMERICAN IDOL on Friday nights and put Fringe back to Thursdays!!!! That is a big problem because I have to DVR it on Friday and those don't get counted in the stupid ratings. I WANT FRINGE BACK TO THURSDAYS!!!!
Or just cut AI to one half hour episode a week and show new episodes of Fringe THREE times a week on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.
Keeping Fringe on Thursday would guarantee cancellation. Fringe can't improve the timeslot anymore, since it's in its second year at that time. Moving to Fridays improved that slot significantly, and was the only way to save the show (and give reason) for a 4th season. Since Fringe won't improve the Friday slot next year though, the only choices FOX will have left are to cancel or move the show to Saturdays.
You cannot say FOX hasn't done everything it can to keep Fringe on the air, when they've actually gone above and beyond.
They are recorded when a television station takes into consideration for the show's fate: http://blastr.com/2011/01/the-truth-about-tv-rati…
Maybe if we didn't use such an antiquated system like the Neilsens it would actually show better ratings. Seriously, I can't believe they are still using that as a way to measure ratings. It doesn't matter if I watch or not, all that matters is that the person with the box that they feel represents me watches, that's unfair and unrealistic.
I totally agree! All I ever watch on TV is sports every once in a while. I watch Fringe every week on Hulu but just because I don't report to Nielsen, suddenly my watching Fringe counts for nothing?!
Oh REALLY??? "we didn't use such an antiquated system like the Neilsens …". Tell us Mr. "Ex Spurt", TELL us all about your knowledge about how Nelsen DOES their rating system??? What software and hardware they use? When they survey? How much of a sample they use? How often they sample? Where they sample?
My Son works for Neilsen and you don't know squat. Just a big blabber mouth with delusions of knowledge.
Oh BTW, there is no "Neilsens" …. maybe you know all about Ozzie and Harriet.
Wow, defensive much? Yep, a lot of people probably don’t know how the Neilsen ratings work. Maybe you could elaborate for us instead of bringing out the attitude. I can bet, however, that the number of people who saw the last episode of Fringe – EVERY episode, for that matter – is much higher than any television-viewer counting system can manage to collect. I subscribe to cable, but do I watch it on Friday nights at its regularly scheduled time? Never. Not once. How do you count THAT?
Wow, defensive much? Yep, a lot of people probably don't know how the Neilsen ratings work. Maybe you could elaborate for us instead of bringing out the attitude. I can bet, however, that the number of people who saw the last episode of Fringe – EVERY episode, for that matter – is much higher than any television-viewer counting system can manage to collect. I subscribe to cable, but do I watch it on Friday nights at its regularly scheduled time? Never. Not once. How do you count THAT?
BuzzSaw, take a chill pill. You totally missed what Dustin was saying. He wasn't purporting to know how the actual system works. He was saying that Nielsens' stats misses out a large chunk of the audience who don't have the metre connected to their TV. So, 5 million people might have been watching that episode of Fringe, but because they didn't have the metre we don't know that. And then what about the people who watch it online, or record it to watch later? It misses them too. Take for example my grandparents who have a Nielsen metre but would never watch a show like Fringe…. but then my and my husband who always watch it but don't have a metre. My grandparents are the only people I know with a Nielsen metre. And we live in a regional city, it's not like we live out in the middle of nowhere.
And btw, it is Nielsens, not Nelsens.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_ratings
I wonder how Firefly and Dollhouse would have fared if we had a better ratings system…
If your son works there, why don't YOU explain how it works. Instead of being a dick about it, you could enlighten us on how it's not an antiquated system. I'm surprised that you even care about Fringe. I guess racist right wing teabaggers can like it too.
Hmm, being a dick while bitching that someone else shouldn't be a dick. That's hypocrisy you usually see with teabaggers as well. I'm thinking numbersarebad needs to step out of his/her own closet.
I didn't mean to offend you, sorry. That response was based on comments I read from that user.
If you don't want TV to use the Nielsen system (which is pretty accurate BTW), then lobby Congress to pass a bill banning free TV. Until then, suck it up 'cuz it's ads that pay for Fringe, and ads are only effective when you watch them live.
I miss the days when Peter, Walter, and Olivia solved cases.
Now it seems like the show has lost a step with the introduction and actualization of the duel universe storyline, add to that the move over to Friday night (I am usually out at that time) and that is the recipe for the show's decline for me.
Fringe seems more like a show about relationships between people in the "Fringe" context but this allows for a lessening of the "Fringe" plot line. I want more Fringe and less "Tee Hee, Giggle Giggle, Awwww ain't that cute" fluffiness. Get back to the "Holy crap, did Olivia juts travel through time and fly out that windshield?".. get back to Fringe and I'll consider staying in on a Friday to watch because one thing is for sure – I am not staying in to view a sci-fi soap opera – I'll bet I am not the only one.
Yeah, I'm with you. Not liking the new focus on a love triangle – enough shows have done this trope to death. And I am really not down with the pregnancy storyline they're going to drag us through. I agree that it's hard to make time for a show that is spiraling into soap opera mess.
I agree with Mark and MareeW. This whole preganancy thing is causing Fringe to come close to jumping the shark. Reminds me of the last couple of years on X-Files with Mulder and Sculley. Painful. If I wanted this kind of storyline, I would watch Grey's Anatomy. Hopefully they will get back to Fringe basics… But I doubt it. Personally, I think if relationship Peter walks in the door he will kill independent Peter…
Absolutely! I hope the producers read this board — so they can get a CLUE.
You are so right! I just posted on this. The Peter-Olivia-Olivia-pregnancy plot is absolutely POOP. I prefer weekly mysteries. Arcs can be interesting, but they usually become too outlandish for most viewers. The producers should have learned from the X-Files and Supernatural.
I'm sure many fans don't understand the importance of ratings. For others, the dual Universe episodes are to Fringe, what the UFO episodes were to X Files. Like a mini series that never ends!
Is that a good accolade or bad?
I've tried replying to this individual, you even placed my e-mail and password for me(thank you) and it is still invalid! This is why less people write comments!
I am a fan, I watch it every week but I work night shift so I DVR. I'll be sincerely pissed off if they cancel it! Can't apologize for having a life…
I watched Fringe. And even if I can't I watch it online. They do look at online viewings as well right? They better!
Nope, they do not.
I have read articles from show producers discussing the ratings of their shows and they do mention the ability to see DVR numbers and online viewership numbers. These may not be accounted for by Nielson, but it would appear they can be accounted for by the show producers.
Yeah, but the network is what matters, and the network cares only about the Nielson ratings when it comes right down to it. I mean, they recognize those DVR and online numbers, but they basically make all their decisions based on Nielson.
DVR views are recorded somehow… http://bit.ly/dWWTdu but I don't think its helping much.
Okay, good point. However its all still moot unless you've got a Nielson box =
If I lived in the States it'd take a bulldozer to shift me from watching Fringe live – as if I could wait any longer given the choice!
I understand the gentle chiding, but I have never missed an episode, watch either live or within a day on dvr, and then again on Hulu to see what I missed the first time around, but I, not being a Nielsen viewer, don't matter one iota. I sure wish networks could use what has to be vast amounts of data available from the cable and satellite companies about what we are really watching, rather than rely on the outdated Nielsen system.
Don't gripe at us because Fringe decided to move to a horrible time slot. Due to work, Friday night is the one night of the week that allows me to go out and enjoy myself. I'll DVR Fringe and catch it on the flip, but you've been smoking Walter's stash if you think I'm sacrificing my one free night to the TV.
Don't gripe at us because Fringe decided to move to a horrible time slot. Due to work, Friday night is the one night of the week that allows me to go out and enjoy myself. I'll DVR Fringe and catch it on the flip, but you've been smoking Walter's stash if you think I'm sacrificing my one free night to the TV.
Her name is Fauxlivia, not "Alternate Olivia". You want to vehemently appeal to the hardcore Fringers, or even the softcore ones, you should get that straight. Some of us don't even have a tv and have to watch it on HULU.
I agree about the Nielsen ratings, totally bogus. Only the designated people count. And FOX didn't do it's part – it put Fringe on primetime, up against the big dogs – probably knowing full well that even though Fringe is a cult hit it would never pull numbers like CSI or Grey's and then sends it to die on Friday's. You could say it was being given another chance since there's no real competition on Friday's but it's also the start of the weekend and instead of staying home people are going out. Show's get sent to Friday's to be cancelled or put on hiatus indefinitely and then eventually cancelled. And no one should trust FOX after Family Guy :P
They could have moved it to Wednesday's instead…
"And if that kind of number sticks around … we'll never find out which universe Peter chooses to save."
As far as I'm concerned, all the answers you need can be found in that sentence. I mean, just on it's face that sentence is so very wrong.
But leaving aside all the characterisation and plotting issues, I haven't a care what FOX thinks. They started this mess when they moved Fringe to Thursdays.
I for one would love to see an entire season based on the other side. Like the events that lead them to creating shapeshifters to travel to our side.
I warn you now, There are spoilers here:
I am a huge Fringe fan, and I love the show. But lately its taking a rather disturbing turn. With Olivia coming back and how peter was with FOlivia and Olivia got depressed, It made sense and it was interesting to see where it was going….. But thats where it started….
The constant "you still love her" or "You have feelings for her" and all that has to stop. My Girlfriend gave Olivia her own Walter like name….. MOlivia, short for Emo Olivia. And with the past episode FOlivia is now FMOlivia. Short for Fake Emo Olivia. We get the character building and all that but its coming across like every highschool drama ever made.
The body of the episodes are awesome, but this underlying "You still love her" is annoying. 2 weeks ago was almost back to an awesome episode. But the very ending killed it in our opinions. It was all good right until the guy said "He still has feelings for her" and MOlivia got the "waaaaaaaaaaaaaah" face on. Please try and stay away from this highschool drama. Some drama and all that is good and makes the characters more believeable and all that. But too much is too much
I COMPLETELY agree! I can't stand the teenage drama shows and the fact that some of that ridiculousness is starting to seep into one of my favorite shows is disheartening.
This is a common theme among "fans" who have soured on the show. I am stunned that they are still pursuing that mess. Hardcore sci-fi fans do not want to see Grey's Anatomy in two universes.
I call BS on the nelson box being the only to be tracked! DVR's are an ADDRESSABLE converter box, so it is entirely possible to track who is recording what and I feel that it is being watched by someone somewhere.
I was not happy with the move to friday night, but being married with children, it makes no difference to me, I still watch it. Not since the X-Files and 24, have I been this faithful to a show (OK and House, Bones, and Justified).
Sure they can be tracked but they are NOT being tracked.
The ONLY thing that matters is Nielson ratings. If you dont have a Nielson box you dont get counted, plain and simple.
2 things need to be done away with: Nielson ratings and American Idol.
WTF did Fox expect? It's Friday night – the traditional spot they put shows they expect to die. It's a great show, and I continue to watch, but I'm already too old for their key demos (18-54). If they cared about the show they would have left it where it was – or moved it to someplace better on the schedule where it wouldn't have to deal with American Idol.
Whoever buys series at Fox does a great job – but whoever does the scheduling is a moron.
We Tivo it. Let's be honest. Most 9-5ers (and everyone else) go out on Friday and Saturday nights. We usually end up watching our taped version on Monday or Tuesday nights. If Neilson ratings are what it takes, then thank Fox for destroying the show. Friday and Saturday night programming are for people with kids who can't go out regularly and Fringe is definitely an adult themed show for people who can follow a complicated plot.
I personally have enjoyed the alternate universe storylines this season more than the ones in our universe, though the overall season has been stellar IMO.
I have never missed a Fringe episode; however the last two episodes have been angering. I honestly think the Fringe writers are trying to make us stop watching so they can take the show off the air sooner rather than later. The misery the writers are feeling is showing through: they're taking us down with them.
They don't call it Fox's Friday Night Death Slot for nothing!
We Tivo it. Let's be honest. Most 9-5ers (and everyone else) go out on Friday and Saturday nights. We usually end up watching our taped version on Monday or Tuesday nights. If Neilson ratings are what it takes, then thank Fox for destroying the show by moving it from one of the most popular tv nights to Fridays. Friday and Saturday night programming are for people with kids who can't go out regularly and get stuck watching bad sitcoms. Fringe is definitely an adult themed show for people who can follow a complicated plot. We'll keep Tivo-ing it until they stop making it, hopefully that will be a few years from now. We really love the show.
I watch it on fridays and also record it and I bet most people record it and watch it later. They need to start monitoring it being recorded which means it's being watched. It's a fantastic show. I am a working mother and wife and this is my favorite show that I will make time for..
Wild horses couldn't drag me away from television when Fringe is on – regardless of which day of the week it airs. If it's on, I'm in front of my TV. I tell everyone I know about this show. If it gets canceled I'll be BEYOND bummed. Its literally the best show in TV.
I don't have cable and I hate it. BUT, I ALWAYS watch the latest episode on HULU the next day. And "Immortality" was AMAZING! I am on pins and needles waiting for the next episode to air! I'm even trying to get tickets to Emerald City Comicon to go talk to John Noble, and Jasika Nicole. :D I'm so excited!
good luck with the tickets!
I used to watch it every week, and then it moved to Fridays. Fox knew its viewership would drop by moving it to Fridays. I still never miss an episode, but it’s almost always by watching it on Hulu instead of TV. I hope that Fox compares its new, lower numbers to other shows that have been in the Fox Friday Night Graveyard slot, and not to the numbers it got on Thursday.
I agree with what you wrote–all of it.
Come on Fringe fans–show Fringe your support. Oh and one more thing, they have to get rid of this current ratings gig. It's not an accurate count on who is really watching.
They need to put it back on Thursday. Everybody is either doing there weekend running an not back home in time.
Maybe they should put it back on Thursday Night cause people do there weekend running.
Tech difficulties.. trying comment again… I was off work so watched Fringe live last week. Usually I DVR everything, stupid work/life. Not sure it’s all about the crappy Friday time slot (which works better for my Thursday DVR schedule); the long winter hiatus is also a show killer, esp. for something as involved as Fringe. I’m on the ball, spreading the word and hoping for a chance to close this show out right w/ at least one more season.
What about the people who don't have cable but watch it faithfully the next day on Hulu? Why aren't we counted?
I agree with you. I usually watch both, first on cable, and then again on Hulu. With Hulu, there’s no escaping the commercials, so if anything, those numbers should really count because advertisers are getting a very captive audience. I sure hope the networks rethink this whole ratings method soon.
I agree with you. I usually watch both, first on cable, and then again on Hulu. With Hulu, there's no escaping the commercials, so if anything, those numbers should really count because advertisers are getting a very captive audience. I sure hope the networks rethink this whole ratings method soon.
People who don't have Nielsen boxes: Watch it on Hulu or whatever.
If you don't have a Nielsen box, you don't count if you're watching it live, at all. However, online numbers are factored at 10%, so for every 10 viewers that watch online, it counts the same as 1 viewer in the Nielsen ratings, except the online ratings count EVERYONE who views it, regardless of Nielsen box ownership. So if you feel powerless, watch it online! (In addition, unlike Nielsen ratings, you can just line up the season in your Hulu queue, then turn on continuous play and leave the house for the day and it won't know you're not in front of the computer all that time, at least as far as I know)
my fave show and immortality was one shocker of a show but i work nights… this month almost all my friday nites i'm scheduled to work so i do what i do in most cases anyways – watch it online!! so unfair that a few houses with some box gets to dictate the fate of an established awesome series like this…whatevs fox!
Hey – FOX was the one who switched it to Death Knell Friday. They do this to shows that are too smart for them – like Firefly. If they switched one of their ridiculous reality shows to Friday, I would believe they aren't trying to lose the viewers, but that hasn't happened, has it? If it gets canceled, it's not because of the fans. That being said – I do watch it on Fridays or DVR it if I can't catch it as it airs.
friday night is date night for most people even geeks that watch fringe. so you are not gonna get viewers (mostly tivo) plus i can only tape two shows and one has to be on the tv while i am taping it so guess what, you lose out to Supernatural. sorry but that's just the way it is. Friday is my game night. so i game and let the tv tape what i want to watch. so if fringe is headed for the trash heap please for the love of sanity wrap up the show's riddles this season so we dont get screwed with a cancelation and unfinished story.
hahahahhahahha I WATCHED IT AND I WAS SICK NOTHING CAN KEEP ME AWAY ONLY YOU PEOPLE WHO WONT WATCH IT AND THEY END UP CANCELLING IT!! DON'T MESS WITH MY FRINGE AND WATCH IT!!! YOU DON'T LIKE BOLIVIA? GUESS WHAT IT'S STILL SEXY ANA TORV AND THE FACT THAT SHE CAN PLAY THE SAME PERSON TWO WAYS SHOWS ME SHES EVEN MORE EPIC!!!!
*SPOILERS*
In this weeks episode olivia and peter finally kiss, so you really have no excuse for missing the show
vomit. that will keep me from watching.
I love fringe and a loyal watcher but for some reason when they said Peter had feelings for Alt Olivia, it just turned me off and did not have the urge to watch it again. It's weird but for one line just basically turned you off instantly. Now I could care less whether I miss it or not.
I DVR Fringe friday, but lets be honest… There is drinking to be done and not everyone has DVR's…
I live in chile, so is IMPOSIBLE for me to watch it live =( i download the episodes the next day. So pleeeease US citizens!! watch it live xD… this is my favorite show and if it gets cancelled i'm going to die xD, so if you don't watch it, your killing people!! think in that next friday! LOL
The Neilsen's are too antiquated they need to ditch it for something more accurate. If you don't have a box buy Fringe on iTunes or watch it online. IPs can be tracked so they know exactly how many people are watching online in addition to their dumb Neilsen ratings.
If you aren't watching it live, then you aren't watching the commercials. That's really what Nielsens are for.
Ummm… I NEVER watch live TV. I always record or watch it on the internet. I'm pretty sure the system for measuring who's watching is antiquated. Seriously? Who watches live TV anymore. I've also never even met anyone who was even asked to be a Nielsen guinea pig. The type of people who are more likely to watch Fringe probably have DVRs or better yet, recording cards for their computers. The TV networks are the ones who dropped the ball. Until they decide to leave the stone age behind, I have nothing more to say.
I don't know about the rest of you, but my friggin DVR didn't record the program so i have to HULU it now. Maybe Comcast effed up the ratings by screwing over all their loyal DVR recording fans. That's gotta be at least half a million of us, yeah?
I'm getting a little tired of the Peter/Olivia plot (not even a subplot these days) and hope they push through it sooner than later. Unfortunately it seem to be a hinge-point for the next few episodes and likely up to the season finale (where I'm sure Peter gets to choose the end of the world for one of them).
Anyway, I have to watch last week's episode so I can catch up. Sigh…
I don't know about the rest of you, but my friggin DVR didn't record the program so i have to HULU it now. Maybe Comcast effed up the ratings by screwing over all their loyal DVR recording fans. That's gotta be at least half a million of us, yeah?
I'm getting a little tired of the Peter/Olivia plot (not even a subplot these days) and hope they push through it sooner than later. Unfortunately it seem to be a hinge-point for the next few episodes and likely up to the season finale (where I'm sure Peter gets to choose the end of the world for one of them).
Anyway, I have to watch last week's episode so I can catch up. Sigh…
1. I never watch live TV.
2. I always watch Fringe, but it doesn't "count" because I don't have a Neilson box.
3. I don't have a Nielson box. I don't know anyone who has a Neilson box. I don't know anyone who has EVER known anyone else who has a Neilson box.
In short, your plea is wasted unless address to Neilson families.
P.S. The general public all agree that Neilson is a flawed system, especially since the advent of DVRs.
Hey guys. Don't forget, Fringe needs a 4th season to get to syndication (or so I was told). So find a way to let Fox know you watch the show (I assume most people here on the comments don't have the damn Nielsen box).
I used to watch it every week, and then it moved to Fridays. Fox knew its viewership would drop by moving it to Fridays. I still never miss an episode, but it's almost always by watching it on Hulu instead of TV. I hope that Fox compares its new, lower numbers to other shows that have been in the Fox Friday Night Graveyard slot, and not to the numbers it got on Thursday.
Tech difficulties.. trying comment again… I was off work so watched Fringe live last week. Usually I DVR everything, stupid work/life. Not sure it's all about the crappy Friday time slot (which works better for my Thursday DVR schedule); the long winter hiatus is also a show killer, esp. for something as involved as Fringe. I'm on the ball, spreading the word and hoping for a chance to close this show out right w/ at least one more season.
I am totally in love with fringe and don’t want it to end either. Unfortunately I don’t have TV and rather purchase every episode from iTunes. How do things like this get worked into the ratings? It would be really sad if Fox didn’t consider situations like this.
Tell Fox to QUIT "Foxing" Around with the Schedule!!! Hey, people have a life on Friday and Saturday Nights!! Dopes! Great way to kill a show that is obviously oriented towards a younger age demo! This is not a show that Grandpa and Grandma watch at the rest home where turning on the TV, instead of each other over drinks at the Club, is the hot date on the weekends!
This is how the network morons killed StarTrek Enterprise too!
What is Fox, on an Alternate Planet (obviously not an alternate Universe or Membrane)???
Unfortunately, the Neilsen Ratings drop of 0.5 points means that something like 100 people with ratings boxes in this whole country didn't watch on Friday night. I'm afraid you have to find and target those 100 people, not us – the actual real people who watch the show regularly.
According to wiki "the total number of Nielsen homes only amounts to 0.02183% of the total American television households, meaning that 99.97817% of American households have no input at all into what is actually being watched." Definitely time for a better way.
You have never heard of statistical modeling?
I love Fringe and I watch it when I can, but that's mostly online the next morning. Plus I always watched it when it was on Thursdays. I dont like Fringe being on a Friday, I'm usually out and about celebrating the fact it's finally the weekend! Put Fringe back during the regular week please!!!!! I dont watch anything anymore on Thursdays since FOX took Fringe away from that time slot!
We lifeless middle-agers were there. How can you fault the twentysomethings and early thirtysomethings who now and again want to go out and get laid on Friday night, for crissakes? Don't let Fox off the hook — shoveling this show into the Friday night death slot is still the biggest mistake they've made since scrapping FIREFLY. To hell with Fox.
The only definite reason I avoided "Concentrate and Ask Again" is because I vehemently dislike bugs. Might even fear them, actually.
*spoilers*
The fact is, the show is more interesting as the Fringeverse unravels with each case, and the gamble that the show is taking is letting the alternate universe make up for the case episodes we learned to love through the first two seasons. For some, the gamble is working, and for others it's creating a sense of disinterest. While I do love and miss the crazy cases the Dysfunctional Family (aka Bishops, Liv, and Astrid) solved, I'm interested in the angle they're going with for Bolivia, Walternate, and their universe, and there are certainly still scientific phenomenons that the show presents. The fact that they create what we immediately label as the "bad guys" and gradually attempt to prove to us that they aren't necessarily so is intriguing. They're unraveling an entirely different world to us – one that very well might contain another you – that turns what you know on its head and makes you think. Personally, I don't find that even remotely boring, but that's my opinion. Most American television shows go out of their way to spell things out for the audience, but Fringe doesn't always do that, and I respect it for that.
There are also those who feel that the Olivia/Peter/Bolivia triangle is a blatant cliche that causes unnecessary fluff in a show that doesn't need any marshmallow-sweet goodness. I admit that Olivia's depressed attitude and constant pining has been kind of annoying, but if anything it's just proving that she's human; Olivia is seriously conflicted and has a lot to deal with, and the track record of her love life isn't exactly up to par. Of course, Peter is going to consume some of her thoughts. When she told him that he belonged with her, she didn't just mean that romantically. Olivia and Peter have forged a definite, impenetrable connection. The guy clung to her mind even when she shouldn't have remembered he existed, and he essentially was the light switch that triggered her to know what was what. It's Fringe, so that makes enough sense to be justifiable to me. Plus, romance is a very realistic piece of life and television that has to be incorporated somewhere. I would've been fine with the show had Peter and Olivia progressed to BFF status and stopped there, but the way that screenwriters work is to up the angst and sexual tension by throwing in the more-than-platonic aspect somewhere and add story arcs from there. I'll concede that I eventually became a Peter/Olivia shipper, but I stick with what I've said.
I prefer early Fringe to present Fringe, BUT this show is one of the few I will desperately cling to regardless of its bad ratings periods. The writers always come up with something new to throw at us, whether it's a scientific creation or a plot twist or even some sort of stunning character development, and I'm certainly willing to stick around to see what else they can do. Even if you deem the pregnancy scenario and the end-of-the-world story arc with Peter as eyeroll-worthy, you have to admit that you want to know how it ends.
I never miss Fringe. But I do watch it on Hulu. And I don't hate the alternate Olivia but I hate how shes preggers. And regular olivia used to smile a lot with her very first boyfriend who got destroyed in the first season…i do miss the fringe that was more about Fringe incidents and less about relationships… but keep em coming because it's my favorite show now that lost is gone!
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Sorry, I was waiting for “Have You Ever Seen a Portal?”
I am totally in love with fringe and don't want it to end either. Unfortunately I don't have TV and rather purchase every episode from iTunes. How do things like this get worked into the ratings? It would be really sad if Fox didn't consider situations like this.
i am so sick and tired of everyone bitching and complaining about the whole altbaby thing. Grow up already. no im not liking it at all but im not going to dump my fav show in the world because peter cant but on a condom. he doest even wear gloves at crime scenes. the writers have been planing this shit for a long time. and i have faith that its just gonna get better and twisted. And ppl complaining about the romance in here mucking up the show. there has always been romance,ie John Scott did ppl forget him? There will always be trials that Olivia has to go through, first john, then her shooting shapeshifter charlie and finding out she lost real charlie, being trapped and brain washed and now she has to deal with this crap. If you love the show, suck it up like she does and grow a pair.
Who wants to "suck up" a crappy plot line? I watch it every week, but I see myself dumping it soon. The producers have made it very clear that this triangle fluff is the future of the show. That happened to coincide with a major loss of viewers. I do not think this was a mere coincidence. John Scott was only on the show briefly. Even if he remained, his and Olivia's romance wasn't central to the plot. They messed up by making romance and reproduction the central themes — rather than case solving. Sorry, but put the blame where it is supposed to be: the writers and producers.
I was also reading some articles about how when shows are aired in other countries, those viewers are not counted at all. Anyone know if that is taken into account for viewership?
I was also reading some articles about how when shows are aired in other countries, those viewers are not counted at all. Anyone know if that is taken into account for viewership?
The attitude of this article is all wrong. It's not the viewers fault this show got moved to Fridays.
It doesn't work with my schedule to watch Fringe when in the timeframe that it is scheduled. (It didn't on the old schedule either.) I watch the show religiously on Fox's website though. I love the show and would hate to see Fox pull it.
How we watch tv is changing and the networks need to figure out how to relate to those changes better.
I loved it!! I never miss Fringe…at first I wasn’t sure if I liked the Alternate Olivia but she’s grown on me and now that she is pregnant with Peter’s baby-it will make me sad if either worlds are destroyed.
I’ve watched Fringe from the start and it only is getting better, keep up the good work.
I loved it!! I never miss Fringe…at first I wasn't sure if I liked the Alternate Olivia but she's grown on me and now that she is pregnant with Peter's baby-it will make me sad if either worlds are destroyed.
I've watched Fringe from the start and it only is getting better, keep up the good work.
I loved it!!! I have never missed an episode of Fringe!! I am so happy that they are showing episode that feature both worlds. I'm getting to know the people from the alternate world and I kinda like them–I didn't think I would–I thought if I like them I was being disloyal but I don't feel that way–that baby is gonna be Cute!!
"And you'll have no one to blame but yourselves at this point."
Really? 'Cuz I'm pretty sure I blame the writers for not writing an interesting enough storyline to keep the viewers tuned in. I know I'm not.
Sorry — but the ratings are probably plunging because many loyal fans hate the romantic triangle. It was bad enough putting Peter and Olivia together. The actors have about as much magnetism as water and oil. Now, they have complicated an already bad plot by turning this into a love triangle with a touch of "baby mama drama."
I really love the show, and I think there is some very solid acting. Noble as Walter is one of the most creative roles I have ever seen. And minor character Astrid delivers a lot of punch too.
Honestly, the show was much better when they were just solving weird mysteries each week. I am not averse to an "arc," but this one just isn't gripping. So — don't blame fans; blame the producers. Love triangles with two identical women and one guy with a baby in the mix? Really…..What a joke.
I missed it due to a Supernatural convention (and Viper Room tickets), but promptly bought it on iTunes that night. Watching live tomorrow night.
I missed it due to a Supernatural convention (and Viper Room tickets), but promptly bought it on iTunes that night. Watching live tomorrow night.
It HAD a complex story, until they over-simplified it by making it all about a love triangle! You know why we stopped watching?! Because WE have more integrity than the Fringe writers do, THAT'S why. So until they come to their senses, I think I'll listen to mine and stay far the hell away from Fringe. I'm not complacent; I have higher expectations, that's all.
Friends think I'm crazy because I postponed going to Houston to see Language Room until Saturday recently so I could watch Fringe. Thus proving the saying-Dance as though no one who is qualified to commit you is watching.